RECENT UPDATE
My condolences to the family of Jonathan, who recently died at tanglewood.
I do sincerely hope, that the FBI´s investigation culminates in the complete eradication of loren lockman´s defrauding activities.
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Wanting desperately to know what happened to a fellow faster of mine named Jonathan. He was severely underweight and he fasted at the same time that I did under the supervision of Loren Lockman. Anyone happen to know what happened and what went down? We all want and kind of need to know as we all will or have fasted one time or another.
This is very disturbing to say the least and if we get the truth it shall make things more clear.
Jon was a very smart man in his thrities and he was married. He talked very highly of his life with his wife in COlorado. He missed her very very much and it was all he liked to talk about. He kept telling me how much his wife begged for him to come home..I toldhim to break the fast if he didn't feel like going the full 32(which he did) if he was not up to it) he said Loren reassured him that he was okay.
Loren never checked for Potassium or anything major..Even when I brought it up Loren disputed it. I tild him I read it in Dr Fuhrman;s booka nd he said that Fuhrman didn't know much b/c he was "just an M.D." as he liked to put it.
I am very very heartbroken for Jon's family now and I feel like I lost a good friend.
I am weeping since I heard of this terrible news this morning..Even worse not knowing the details..
I think it is the right thing to do and come forward and tell us what you know if you do know what happened...there is nothing more upsetting than drawing your own creepy conclusions.
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez tell us what you know! Anyone????????????
Thanks!
Victoria
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thanks Victoria..I see more to the story as a deep iceberg in the water.. because I was with them all before this all went down. I saw too many signs of this man needing to end his fast at week 2 and I am not even an expert. I am not going to say that I am a wizard and I could have stopped it, but a man of his weight (soooo severely underweight) and the things he was saying should have been a sign to email his wife by Loren the Supervisor much much earlier in my opinion..It was nice of Loren to go to see Jon at the hotel, but honestly, I think this could have worked out a bit better..then there are always the ppl that will say, It was Jon's time and his choice..but I think that there could have been prevention. I am very sad about this..I really thank you so much for the info Victoria, it means a lot.
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I was there when Jonathan died.
"he was acting really weird a day or two before he left... I mean pacing around the property with his lap top in his hand opened, one faster saw him do this for 40 min!"
Thank you for this information. I am still angry that Loren did not contact me sooner about Jonathan's erratic behavior, nor did he do anything to intervene. The entire purpose of Jonathan's being there was so that he would have proper supervision. Incidentally, that lap top went missing, and to my knowledge, has not been found.
"He was just about done his time there, was scheduled to leave Panama in about 3 days... he was about 2-3 weeks into refeeding.... Looking and feeling very good! I spoke to him once and he was really happy with his fast and the way he felt..."
Yes, he was scheduled to fly home in 3 days. Loren's policy is to refeed for 10 days prior to leaving, so Jonathan had only been refeeding for barely a week. The emails I received do corroborate that he was "pleased with how he felt" - but to clarify, I was highly concerned with the euphoric "high" that he seemed to be experiencing after about 3 days of refeeding. But because he was being "supervised", I assumed he was safe...
"Jonathan also was VERY religious and said he had a dream that God told him something like he was no good..."
On Tuesday night/Wednesday morning sometime, he had severe hallucinations. It almost appears, from his email history, that after his euphoric high, he simply crashed. What he described to me in an email as happening that night, and what his roommate James described to me on the phone afterwards were two very different things. He had obviously, at this point, lost touch with reality. The fact that he was religious has no more to do with his death than the fact of Loren's being an atheist has to do with his being alive.
"That evening, He demanded Loren take him to a hotel. Loren did not want to, but Jonathan demanded. He took him to Sora Hotel and Jonathan also refused to eat that day."
As it was told to me by Loren, it was Loren who suggested the hotel as a better alternative to Jonathan's simply walking off into the darkness, as he was apparently trying to do. Again, I am angry that at this point in time I had still not been contacted by Tanglewood in any way, alerting me that anything was amiss.
"THe next morning Loren went there to give him some fruit to eat and found Jonathan at the bottom of the stair case, he had fallen.... hit his head... was unconscious... From there he went to the hospital and died 2-3 days later."
The accident apparently happened sometime on Thursday morning, January 27. He was in a coma for 5 days, and died on the morning of February 1. My last contact with him was around 12:40am Panamanian time (by cell phone text, since by this time I was becoming worried on my own, but I did not call his cell phone because I did not wish to disturb his roommate at 1am - believing he was still at Tanglewood, which he was not) and Loren found him at around 9am Panamanian time. I had sent another text to him at 12:50am, but when I received his cell phone back, that text had never been read by him. Also, on the previous day, at 1:30pm, he placed a 911 call from his cell phone. He was obviously in distress, and I was completely unaware of it.
"His wife was there, seemed she was not surprised, he wrote her an email/text stating that she was not going to see him again (according to Loren)"
I booked a flight to Panama as soon as Loren told me of the accident, arriving around noon the next day. His email describing his hallucinations did include a premonition of death and that I might not see him again. Jonathan was taken to a state hospital in Panama City, which only permits visitation for one hour a day, from 6pm to 7pm. If your family member is in ICU (as Jonathan was), you may also come from 11:30am to noon to visit, and then get an update from the doctors. Jonathan died at around 8:45am, so I was not permitted to be with him at that time, although I immediately went to the hospital when I received the phone call from the US Embassy informing me of his death.
"HE had a history of depression he did not tell Loren about According to Loren)"
Blatantly untrue. Anyone who goes to our website and looks at the pictures of our life together (coloradoexplorers.com) can see how ridiculously happy we were.
"HIs wife ruled cause of death accidental"
Cause of death is officially "severe head trauma due to falling". I don't think spouses have the authority to "rule" anything. In fact, I have recently been contacted by the FBI, who was contacted through Interpol by the Panamanian authorities, and all of these events are currently under investigation.
sexta-feira, 30 de maio de 2014
Maria Estella´s Experience
To whom it may concern, this is one of the latest updates on this man and his center. I'm the student cited on this article....and yes I lost my money as well! It's almost 9 months now I've been trying to get a hold of this guy but it wasnt until things were made public that he came up with a bible long email explaining why he was missing with a lot of crap. I wonder why we still do a search on google on his name but none of the bad stuff comes out. We need to inform people about this guy.
If anyone else bought a package for Tanglewood in Panama, not knowing that they had moved or were going to move, please let us know as I would like to talk to you..thanks. Cynthia Allf - https://www.facebook.com/cynthiaallf
Maria Estela - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507793929
Read the article posted below.
Loren Lockman Bait & Switched Locations of the retreat and then did not honor the fasting package I had purchased and trade agreement.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/healthcare-centers/loren-lockman/loren-lockman-bait-switched-a18d0.htm
If anyone else bought a package for Tanglewood in Panama, not knowing that they had moved or were going to move, please let us know as I would like to talk to you..thanks. Cynthia Allf - https://www.facebook.com/cynthiaallf
Maria Estela - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507793929
Read the article posted below.
Loren Lockman Bait & Switched Locations of the retreat and then did not honor the fasting package I had purchased and trade agreement.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/healthcare-centers/loren-lockman/loren-lockman-bait-switched-a18d0.htm
The purpose of this blog
The objective of this blog is to expose the fact that the tanglewood "wellness" center run by loren lockman is far from being a plausible and safe option in regards to the care provided to their clients, principally because of the negligent, insulting and even abusive behavior of loren lockman himself.
While an enormous number of individuals have decided to keep silent in regards to their infelicities at tanglewood, a few others did come forward in order better elucidate about the intricacies of their experience.
The following reports are not related in any way, other than in the referral of events that took place at tanglewood. The fact that a pattern of characteristics is made obvious can only be interpreted as an undeniable sign not only of the consistency of the problems and their lack of coincidence, but also of the perpetuation and incorrigibility of loren lockman´s behavior through out the years.
Without any request or mention whatsoever, loren lockman will start spewing out attacks about other raw food leaders to his fasting clientele, during his lectures and discussions at tanglewood.
The substance of these attacks is so outrageous and lie full, that it can only deceive those who are not aware of the impeccable work and manhood of the individuals under the attack of loren´s poisonous tongue.
loren´s strategy is to basically project all of his defects towards those who he envies. Fortunately, his multiple attempts to convince his audience of the superiority of his persona, only result in the explicit exposure of his warmongering egomaniac personality.
Defining the specificity of his attacks would be to fuel the absurd, but the main idea that loren so desperately tries to sell, is that he is the one responsible for all the success of others and that he is the most experienced authority in the health scene. What we know for a fact is that the majority of individuals who follow his program fail to comply, because although to the inexperienced it may sound plausible, in the eyes of a truly qualified health professional the program contains structural corruption that can only lead back to the the usage of the foods known to be problematic. A straight forward indicative that there is something very wrong with loren´s professing´s is that the vocabulary required to defend them is polluted by words such as "asshole", "douche bag", "jerk" and even "f***". Not exactly what you would want to hear on normal day, let alone after one month on water.
As would be expected all those who were a victim of his preposterous accusations were fast to debunk them to ridicule.
It seems the general feeling towards loren is one of pity, and it is within this line that I wish to express that despite his irresponsible behavior and lack of professionalism that indeed promptly disqualify him from the role of a fasting supervisor, we all do ultimately forgive him.
There are multiple honest reports, that evidence loren´s sexual harassing behavior, his incapacity to pay old debts, his egoistic and insulting expressions and his negligent behavior in taking care of fasters among many others, but let us take note that despite all this loren is still deserving of our respect and comprehension, and this exposition would have never been born if his behavior wasn't capable of influencing the unsuspecting individuals, who being unaware, would so easily fall prey of the machinations of his business, particularly during the very sensitive experience of a fast.
"I do not recommend Loren Lockman for a wide variety of reasons including but not limited to irresponsible fasting procedures, sexual harassment of women fasters, theft and poor recovery services. There have been far too many people to come forward with horrendous fasting experiences at Tanglewood for us to ever suggest you fast there"
ANOTHER PERSON RECENTLY DIED UNDER THE "CARE" OF LOREN LOCKMAN. EVIDENCE OF NEGLIGENCE IS NOT SURPRISING!
While an enormous number of individuals have decided to keep silent in regards to their infelicities at tanglewood, a few others did come forward in order better elucidate about the intricacies of their experience.
The following reports are not related in any way, other than in the referral of events that took place at tanglewood. The fact that a pattern of characteristics is made obvious can only be interpreted as an undeniable sign not only of the consistency of the problems and their lack of coincidence, but also of the perpetuation and incorrigibility of loren lockman´s behavior through out the years.
Without any request or mention whatsoever, loren lockman will start spewing out attacks about other raw food leaders to his fasting clientele, during his lectures and discussions at tanglewood.
The substance of these attacks is so outrageous and lie full, that it can only deceive those who are not aware of the impeccable work and manhood of the individuals under the attack of loren´s poisonous tongue.
loren´s strategy is to basically project all of his defects towards those who he envies. Fortunately, his multiple attempts to convince his audience of the superiority of his persona, only result in the explicit exposure of his warmongering egomaniac personality.
Defining the specificity of his attacks would be to fuel the absurd, but the main idea that loren so desperately tries to sell, is that he is the one responsible for all the success of others and that he is the most experienced authority in the health scene. What we know for a fact is that the majority of individuals who follow his program fail to comply, because although to the inexperienced it may sound plausible, in the eyes of a truly qualified health professional the program contains structural corruption that can only lead back to the the usage of the foods known to be problematic. A straight forward indicative that there is something very wrong with loren´s professing´s is that the vocabulary required to defend them is polluted by words such as "asshole", "douche bag", "jerk" and even "f***". Not exactly what you would want to hear on normal day, let alone after one month on water.
As would be expected all those who were a victim of his preposterous accusations were fast to debunk them to ridicule.
It seems the general feeling towards loren is one of pity, and it is within this line that I wish to express that despite his irresponsible behavior and lack of professionalism that indeed promptly disqualify him from the role of a fasting supervisor, we all do ultimately forgive him.
There are multiple honest reports, that evidence loren´s sexual harassing behavior, his incapacity to pay old debts, his egoistic and insulting expressions and his negligent behavior in taking care of fasters among many others, but let us take note that despite all this loren is still deserving of our respect and comprehension, and this exposition would have never been born if his behavior wasn't capable of influencing the unsuspecting individuals, who being unaware, would so easily fall prey of the machinations of his business, particularly during the very sensitive experience of a fast.
"I do not recommend Loren Lockman for a wide variety of reasons including but not limited to irresponsible fasting procedures, sexual harassment of women fasters, theft and poor recovery services. There have been far too many people to come forward with horrendous fasting experiences at Tanglewood for us to ever suggest you fast there"
ANOTHER PERSON RECENTLY DIED UNDER THE "CARE" OF LOREN LOCKMAN. EVIDENCE OF NEGLIGENCE IS NOT SURPRISING!
Michelle vs Sven
By Michele
Hey Sven,
I have heard from specific people via e-mail who have fasted with Loren personally and they actually said the same things that blog said, only worse.
It is what it is. You have to make an educated decision as to what is right for you. The information is being put out there for you to see. I have met Grant personally and trust him and what he posts. He knows a lot of people in the raw movement as does Dr. Graham.
Loren has slandered Dr. Graham to me personally via e-mail by stating that Doug had his chiropractic license suspended for sexual harrassment and when I checked it out via the Florida State licensing board it was categorically untrue. He had let his license lapse and never had it revoked. And there were no sexual harrassment charges. Big lie. Why would Loren do that?
I also know of another forum adminstrator (Connie from Naked Food Cafe) who met him personally and caught him in some lies and banned him from her forum before it went off line and there is another raw food forum with a popular raw food leader that he is banned from due to catching him in lies.
Also, I posted some court documents on this site when I banned him showing that a young woman died in his care and instead of showing up in court and defending himself, he fled the country to Panama where he remains today.
There are so many other places to go and fast that are reputable and affordable that I don't understand why this is such a big deal. Loren is one man out of several to fast with and yet his name keeps coming up again and again in a bad way and I never hear bad stuff about the others. Why is that?
Shouldn't that be enough to tell you something?
His money issues are problematic. One raw food leader wasn't going to get paid for referrals sent to Loren's clinic from a video they made interviewing Loren---Loren lied and said that he hadn't gotten any referrals from it even though an intern told them that they knew of at least 4 people who signed up at his fasting retreat due to that video.
It seems that Loren can't seem to change his ways and that's too bad.
If you choose to risk it and fly to another country, go without food for weeks and possibly have him scream at you while he is driving you back to the airport and have him threaten to leave you on the side of the road then that is your choice.
While I understand your concern of wanting specific names because you feel that there might be fake people out there who just want to malign Loren's character, I can assure you that I have checked all of this out via real live people whom I have met in person and whom I trust and have come to the conclusion that if there is somebody to not trust, it is Loren. I have checked out all of his claims and they never line up.
He also has been known to use his intern's accounts to post stuff on the internet in his favor.
That's the sad thing about the internet: you really do not know who you are dealing with until you meet them. I've had people say stuff about me without ever meeting me that I am blown away and shocked over since those who know me in person know that it's categorically untrue. And yet, how do I prove it? I can't. And I certainly can't answer to stuff that may be said about me via e-mail privately that I don't know about which is how Loren works. His brother-in-law is an attorney and Loren knows that it's not legally "slander" if it's said via e-mail and not publicly.
And, unfortunately, I have become so cynical on this issue, that how do I know that you, Sven, are not Loren or one of his interns? From everything that I've seen, there really is no way for me to know that, now would I?
Sven:
Hi Michele,
No I could as well be Loren, however personally I do not see how this is relevant to what is being discussed here.
Michelle:
This is very relevant because at 2-3 thousand dollars per faster that’s a lot of lost income due to bad publicity, so Loren has every incentive to do damage control to his reputation although he would be better off doing that proactively, as in treating his clients right so that he gets good referrals. There is a claim in that blogpost that he uses intern to do his dirty work and that he often uses their internet accounts, so why would it be too far fetched to belief you could be him?
Sven:
But believe me, I do have doubts, suspicions, gives into believing what (I find) trustworthy people says about other people to a certain extent.
Michelle:
I already told you that I have heard accounts from people I know personally and trust so that is not an issue for me. It sounds like you are the type that has to learn first hand. Have fun fasting with him. Other's haven't had such a good experience and have shared that and they have a right to do that.
Loren was on this website and had every opportunity to clear his name and I asked him about concerns I had with what I heard and here was his response:
Hi Michele,
Thanks for sharing .
The "intern" was not an intern, but a woman I had been communicating with on-line for some time. She wanted to visit, and at the last minute, told me that she didn't have ticket $, but could pay me when she arrived. She arrived with no money, drunk, smoking cigarettes, and a total mess.
She bad been lying, misrepresenting herself as raw. She had cut herself dozens of times, & was convinced that the Bnai Brit used her for evil experiments and raped her as child. .
She was incredibly uptight, and I was giving her a massage to try to help her relax. She encouraged me to feel her enhanced breasts, and then start freaking out when I did.
I told her that she would have to fast and clean out if she was going to stay any longer, and she wound up screaming about that, and then, fortunately, leaving, promising to pay me back when she could. A year later, I asked for the $, & she told me to "fuck off and die."
Your source was not there to see what actually happened, nor was she privy to the conversations and agreements that were in place before the argument occurred.
I don't raise my voice easily, but it happens sometimes. I've been meditating for 35 years & believe that it is all about spiritual growth.
Incidentally, I'm nearly 49 and single. I've had a number of serious relationships and many more less-than serious ones. I've had a very active sex life and do not get upset if a woman is not interested in me. Unfortunately, this seems to be the rule, rather than the exception.
The second woman was an intern. She was very thin and clearly Not assimilating. She had been eating raw for sometime and not improving much. I encouraged her to come, and as is often the case with people who get "way too thin," she had little muscle to begin with. Even though did indeed look pretty scary, she was carrying plenty of body fat (something we measure on intake and once/week.) She could have easily fasted for 3 weeks, but chose to quit after about 8 days. I did indeed encourage her to continue, because coaching people to the success that they commit to up-front is my job. She was upset because she wanted to stay on as an intern without completing the 21 day fast, and I didn't let her.
Loren
Michelle:
Okay, here’s a personal account of a woman who fasted with him:
Well, I think I can paint a fairly objective perspective - at least I will try. I have no hard feelings towards him - I see where he is very 'human' - and also see where he can add a lot of value to this world...
Basically, Loren has woman issues - he has a lot of 'stuff' from his past (mother stuff) that he is working through in his relationships with women...and in a tropical retreat, you can imagine how that might play out.
I was there 2x - the first time it was great - I was just helping out - there were only 2 fasters - he head butted with one of the gals (after making sexually suggestive comments she got really irritated easily by him)...bottom line, he gets really triggered with certain women and they him - I am certain it is a mutual energy exchange. I would say in that case, it rolled out like this...he made a move on her, she rejected - he felt rejected and got short with her - she also was a very strong woman and wanted her tomatoes instead of papaya and he said no and the fighting began - it was all very trivial.
The second time I went - which was for my fast, he had brought a gal down from Canada to 'work' - well, he met her on a dating site...needless to say, he made a very sexual move on her and she felt he had violated her. All I can say is that neither one had their screws all on tight....
After that, they had SCREAMING matches all day and every day - I got to the point where I had to tell her to stop talking and leave because her energy was so draining...and he was the same. It was horrible to have that going on during a fast - there were about 8 fasters there and we were all just blown away by it.
SO, that is why I would never recommend someone go there - you just can't predict when this stuff will happen...and since, it happened 2 out of 2 times while I was there..hmmmm. ;-) Granted, the first wasn't all that bad...it still isn't conducive to a peaceful environment.
NOW, on the fasting side...he is very knowledgeable - but is also kind of dangerous as he *thinks* he knows everything...there is a fine line!
Not sure if you knew this but he left the US because of a gal dying at his last center - and it got ugly (the lawsuit is still out there). He was really open about it with me - and I can see both sides - NH is a tricky concept for the outside world to grasp..with that said, I can ALSO see how he can get a little 'sloppy' in drawing the line...but all in all, I think he had good intentions with this gal that died.
For instance, a good friend of mine who was fasting there, really wanted to stop and he wouldn't let her...she was going 40+ days...I don't know the actual story as I wasn't there when she broke her fast - but he did get in my face about me breaking my fast...so, I can see him pushing the lines (personally, I always remain in control over my body so I don't subscribe to the idea that he would 'make' someone do something they didn't want to). I think there is another element to human interactions that Loren is missing...AND I think this is common with a lot of 'gurus' out there (my way or the highway mentality) - AND I also think that is their role as so many people need that...sigh.
The other strange aspect is that he spoke poorly about every Natural Hygiene person out there...
I was also told that a guy died at his location in Panama...Loren and I didn't talk about this so I am not sure if it did happen or not...but the story I heard would tell me that Loren was not at fault at all...
Despite! I really learned a lot from Loren - he is a fruitarian to a T - he does not eat any greens - he also is into some good spiritual books - which plays out except in his relations with certain women! And, I think his base intentions are good. I just could never recommend someone go there for a fast, in particular, because I think the environment is volatile and unpredictable...
Oh, and his staff is FABULOUS!!!
Sven:
As for the supposed lies you state Michele, from what I've heard at least some of them are disputable. im not here to try to dispute them or anything,
Michelle:
I don’t believe you. Everything about your posts here have been EXACTLY TO DISPUTE the lies that I showed you and you haven’t addressed yet.
I was more than fair to Loren and it was after multiple stories that I made my decision. I do not have to answer to you or anybody else and it seems that more stories keep on surfacing. I am highly suspicious of your motives and tone and seriously wonder if you are Loren himself or a Loren supporter. Why is this so important to you Sven? If you spent any time at all on this forum you would know that I never have tolerated any slander about anybody…Grant is now the owner of this forum and he posted a blog that he felt was relevant based on recent happenings…
I’m getting tired of you defending Loren. Nobody here badmouthed him until stories kept on resurfacing. People have a right to share their stories. I find it interesting that he keeps on trying to suppress them. Of course he would. But then again, that’s what the blog said he does…that he’s controlling. Fast with him if you want to, Sven. I’m not holding you back.
which is how Loren works. His brother-in-law is an attorney and Loren knows that it's not legally "slander" if it's said via e-mail and not publicly.
I don’t know if he is and I don’t care if he is. I was referring to his e-mail to me about Doug that was slanderous that you never addressed at all.
Sven:
By the way I do not mean any of this in an aggressive way at all..it's just that english is not my first language so...
Me:
You are not fooling me, Sven.
Hey Sven,
I have heard from specific people via e-mail who have fasted with Loren personally and they actually said the same things that blog said, only worse.
It is what it is. You have to make an educated decision as to what is right for you. The information is being put out there for you to see. I have met Grant personally and trust him and what he posts. He knows a lot of people in the raw movement as does Dr. Graham.
Loren has slandered Dr. Graham to me personally via e-mail by stating that Doug had his chiropractic license suspended for sexual harrassment and when I checked it out via the Florida State licensing board it was categorically untrue. He had let his license lapse and never had it revoked. And there were no sexual harrassment charges. Big lie. Why would Loren do that?
I also know of another forum adminstrator (Connie from Naked Food Cafe) who met him personally and caught him in some lies and banned him from her forum before it went off line and there is another raw food forum with a popular raw food leader that he is banned from due to catching him in lies.
Also, I posted some court documents on this site when I banned him showing that a young woman died in his care and instead of showing up in court and defending himself, he fled the country to Panama where he remains today.
There are so many other places to go and fast that are reputable and affordable that I don't understand why this is such a big deal. Loren is one man out of several to fast with and yet his name keeps coming up again and again in a bad way and I never hear bad stuff about the others. Why is that?
Shouldn't that be enough to tell you something?
His money issues are problematic. One raw food leader wasn't going to get paid for referrals sent to Loren's clinic from a video they made interviewing Loren---Loren lied and said that he hadn't gotten any referrals from it even though an intern told them that they knew of at least 4 people who signed up at his fasting retreat due to that video.
It seems that Loren can't seem to change his ways and that's too bad.
If you choose to risk it and fly to another country, go without food for weeks and possibly have him scream at you while he is driving you back to the airport and have him threaten to leave you on the side of the road then that is your choice.
While I understand your concern of wanting specific names because you feel that there might be fake people out there who just want to malign Loren's character, I can assure you that I have checked all of this out via real live people whom I have met in person and whom I trust and have come to the conclusion that if there is somebody to not trust, it is Loren. I have checked out all of his claims and they never line up.
He also has been known to use his intern's accounts to post stuff on the internet in his favor.
That's the sad thing about the internet: you really do not know who you are dealing with until you meet them. I've had people say stuff about me without ever meeting me that I am blown away and shocked over since those who know me in person know that it's categorically untrue. And yet, how do I prove it? I can't. And I certainly can't answer to stuff that may be said about me via e-mail privately that I don't know about which is how Loren works. His brother-in-law is an attorney and Loren knows that it's not legally "slander" if it's said via e-mail and not publicly.
And, unfortunately, I have become so cynical on this issue, that how do I know that you, Sven, are not Loren or one of his interns? From everything that I've seen, there really is no way for me to know that, now would I?
Sven:
Hi Michele,
No I could as well be Loren, however personally I do not see how this is relevant to what is being discussed here.
Michelle:
This is very relevant because at 2-3 thousand dollars per faster that’s a lot of lost income due to bad publicity, so Loren has every incentive to do damage control to his reputation although he would be better off doing that proactively, as in treating his clients right so that he gets good referrals. There is a claim in that blogpost that he uses intern to do his dirty work and that he often uses their internet accounts, so why would it be too far fetched to belief you could be him?
Sven:
But believe me, I do have doubts, suspicions, gives into believing what (I find) trustworthy people says about other people to a certain extent.
Michelle:
I already told you that I have heard accounts from people I know personally and trust so that is not an issue for me. It sounds like you are the type that has to learn first hand. Have fun fasting with him. Other's haven't had such a good experience and have shared that and they have a right to do that.
Loren was on this website and had every opportunity to clear his name and I asked him about concerns I had with what I heard and here was his response:
Hi Michele,
Thanks for sharing .
The "intern" was not an intern, but a woman I had been communicating with on-line for some time. She wanted to visit, and at the last minute, told me that she didn't have ticket $, but could pay me when she arrived. She arrived with no money, drunk, smoking cigarettes, and a total mess.
She bad been lying, misrepresenting herself as raw. She had cut herself dozens of times, & was convinced that the Bnai Brit used her for evil experiments and raped her as child. .
She was incredibly uptight, and I was giving her a massage to try to help her relax. She encouraged me to feel her enhanced breasts, and then start freaking out when I did.
I told her that she would have to fast and clean out if she was going to stay any longer, and she wound up screaming about that, and then, fortunately, leaving, promising to pay me back when she could. A year later, I asked for the $, & she told me to "fuck off and die."
Your source was not there to see what actually happened, nor was she privy to the conversations and agreements that were in place before the argument occurred.
I don't raise my voice easily, but it happens sometimes. I've been meditating for 35 years & believe that it is all about spiritual growth.
Incidentally, I'm nearly 49 and single. I've had a number of serious relationships and many more less-than serious ones. I've had a very active sex life and do not get upset if a woman is not interested in me. Unfortunately, this seems to be the rule, rather than the exception.
The second woman was an intern. She was very thin and clearly Not assimilating. She had been eating raw for sometime and not improving much. I encouraged her to come, and as is often the case with people who get "way too thin," she had little muscle to begin with. Even though did indeed look pretty scary, she was carrying plenty of body fat (something we measure on intake and once/week.) She could have easily fasted for 3 weeks, but chose to quit after about 8 days. I did indeed encourage her to continue, because coaching people to the success that they commit to up-front is my job. She was upset because she wanted to stay on as an intern without completing the 21 day fast, and I didn't let her.
Loren
Michelle:
Okay, here’s a personal account of a woman who fasted with him:
Well, I think I can paint a fairly objective perspective - at least I will try. I have no hard feelings towards him - I see where he is very 'human' - and also see where he can add a lot of value to this world...
Basically, Loren has woman issues - he has a lot of 'stuff' from his past (mother stuff) that he is working through in his relationships with women...and in a tropical retreat, you can imagine how that might play out.
I was there 2x - the first time it was great - I was just helping out - there were only 2 fasters - he head butted with one of the gals (after making sexually suggestive comments she got really irritated easily by him)...bottom line, he gets really triggered with certain women and they him - I am certain it is a mutual energy exchange. I would say in that case, it rolled out like this...he made a move on her, she rejected - he felt rejected and got short with her - she also was a very strong woman and wanted her tomatoes instead of papaya and he said no and the fighting began - it was all very trivial.
The second time I went - which was for my fast, he had brought a gal down from Canada to 'work' - well, he met her on a dating site...needless to say, he made a very sexual move on her and she felt he had violated her. All I can say is that neither one had their screws all on tight....
After that, they had SCREAMING matches all day and every day - I got to the point where I had to tell her to stop talking and leave because her energy was so draining...and he was the same. It was horrible to have that going on during a fast - there were about 8 fasters there and we were all just blown away by it.
SO, that is why I would never recommend someone go there - you just can't predict when this stuff will happen...and since, it happened 2 out of 2 times while I was there..hmmmm. ;-) Granted, the first wasn't all that bad...it still isn't conducive to a peaceful environment.
NOW, on the fasting side...he is very knowledgeable - but is also kind of dangerous as he *thinks* he knows everything...there is a fine line!
Not sure if you knew this but he left the US because of a gal dying at his last center - and it got ugly (the lawsuit is still out there). He was really open about it with me - and I can see both sides - NH is a tricky concept for the outside world to grasp..with that said, I can ALSO see how he can get a little 'sloppy' in drawing the line...but all in all, I think he had good intentions with this gal that died.
For instance, a good friend of mine who was fasting there, really wanted to stop and he wouldn't let her...she was going 40+ days...I don't know the actual story as I wasn't there when she broke her fast - but he did get in my face about me breaking my fast...so, I can see him pushing the lines (personally, I always remain in control over my body so I don't subscribe to the idea that he would 'make' someone do something they didn't want to). I think there is another element to human interactions that Loren is missing...AND I think this is common with a lot of 'gurus' out there (my way or the highway mentality) - AND I also think that is their role as so many people need that...sigh.
The other strange aspect is that he spoke poorly about every Natural Hygiene person out there...
I was also told that a guy died at his location in Panama...Loren and I didn't talk about this so I am not sure if it did happen or not...but the story I heard would tell me that Loren was not at fault at all...
Despite! I really learned a lot from Loren - he is a fruitarian to a T - he does not eat any greens - he also is into some good spiritual books - which plays out except in his relations with certain women! And, I think his base intentions are good. I just could never recommend someone go there for a fast, in particular, because I think the environment is volatile and unpredictable...
Oh, and his staff is FABULOUS!!!
Sven:
As for the supposed lies you state Michele, from what I've heard at least some of them are disputable. im not here to try to dispute them or anything,
Michelle:
I don’t believe you. Everything about your posts here have been EXACTLY TO DISPUTE the lies that I showed you and you haven’t addressed yet.
I was more than fair to Loren and it was after multiple stories that I made my decision. I do not have to answer to you or anybody else and it seems that more stories keep on surfacing. I am highly suspicious of your motives and tone and seriously wonder if you are Loren himself or a Loren supporter. Why is this so important to you Sven? If you spent any time at all on this forum you would know that I never have tolerated any slander about anybody…Grant is now the owner of this forum and he posted a blog that he felt was relevant based on recent happenings…
I’m getting tired of you defending Loren. Nobody here badmouthed him until stories kept on resurfacing. People have a right to share their stories. I find it interesting that he keeps on trying to suppress them. Of course he would. But then again, that’s what the blog said he does…that he’s controlling. Fast with him if you want to, Sven. I’m not holding you back.
which is how Loren works. His brother-in-law is an attorney and Loren knows that it's not legally "slander" if it's said via e-mail and not publicly.
I don’t know if he is and I don’t care if he is. I was referring to his e-mail to me about Doug that was slanderous that you never addressed at all.
Sven:
By the way I do not mean any of this in an aggressive way at all..it's just that english is not my first language so...
Me:
You are not fooling me, Sven.
Shelah Segal´s Experience
By Shelah Segal
Hi Victoria and all,
I just want to share what I posted on another forum about my experience at Tanglewood 3 years ago:
"I chose to go to Tanglewood because I wanted to be an intern, but also to fast. His internship program involves each intern starting with a 21 day fast, a week or so refeeding with rest, a month of training and the last month assisting paying fasters and the next group of interns. Sounded very comprehensive and it was affordable because you would pay pretty much the same as a paying faster would for a 28 day stay, and after you completed your internship, you'd get almost 1/2 back. So off I went.
My reason for wanting to fast was that I was very underweight, had tried a million different holistic approaches to try to gain weight, none of which worked, and had already been eating LFRV for over a year before the fast. I'd read that Shelton had fasted (usually for 1 to 2 weeks) underweight people with great success. I am 5'2" and was at 80 lbs when I started the fast. Loren had assured me that all would be well and that at my weight I probably wouldn't lose weight as rapidly as other fasters, so I might even be able to go the full 21 days, though he'd monitor closely as with all fasters.
Well, after 8 days, I had dropped to 68 lbs and was a bit freaked out about it. I felt a bit strange in the chest area as well and called Loren in to tell him that I thought I should end my fast. He was very agreeable, which surprised me because I had already been hearing from others there that he could be very insistent and controlling. Another couple that were there as interns as well were told to leave when the woman decided to end her fast after 5 days -- he said they had thereby broken their internship contract.
The next morning, I began to refeed slowly and continued to do so for a full week when Loren came to me and informed me that I would need to resume my fast. He tried at first to convince me by saying that my health goals would be better met that way, but I was not feeling good about it. During that week, there had been more strange incidents and reports of rude and inappropriate behavior with other fasters. (Since I didn't witness those first-hand, I won't give those details here) But I was feeling nervous. I asked him for how long he'd expect me to fast and he said 6 or 7 more days. I had only gained back 2 lbs, so I asked what he would do if I asked to stop before the 6 or 7 days. He openly said, with a smile, that he'd give me a really hard time! I knew that I was feeling stronger at that moment, but that I'd surely be weaker and more vulnerable if I started fasting again. I thought deeply about my decision and finally told him no. He then began to harass me about being an intern and having to do whatever the coach says, that it was like being on a sports team and arguing with the coach -- no matter what he may ask of his athletes, they must obey. I knew then that I was making the right decision because I saw his attitude as potentially dangerous. He continued to harass me for another day and a half and finally told me that I would have to leave Tanglewood, immediately, since I was breaking my contract. I had no place to go, no transportation,no time to book a new plane ticket home, and no Spanish skills, weighed under 70 lbs and felt physically weaker than I'd have liked. I was scared. Maybe he thought I'd give in to his will -- luckily, I was not psychologically weak!
I did end up staying another 10 days because my room mate, another intern, who was just finishing up her 40 day fast, did not intend to stay there as the only intern remaining and be subjected to his whims, yet she was too weak to just leave. She threatened to walk out with me if I left right away -- and Loren had enough (barely) decency to acknowledge that her leaving before at least a short controlled refeeding could be very dangerous. We both left after she'd been refeeding for about 8 days, then I stayed with her at a beach house to help her recoup for another week before we parted ways.
Loren was left with no interns, his staff assistant/ office manager quit and several other paying fasters left early with great feelings of trauma. Yet the center still operates -- I hope enough people tell enough people about their experiences so that others can be spared such an ordeal.
As an aside, none of the interns, who all left under duress, were re-imbursed any of our payments."
I'd like to add that my room mate, who was fluent in Spanish, shared with me many of her conversations with the staff, who were all underpaid, ill-treated, afraid of Loren and only remained because work was so hard to obtain.
Also, after my run-in with Loren, when he ordered me to leave immediately, I was visibly shaken up and told others who asked about it. A couple of outspoken guests decided that this was a last straw for them and we all confronted Loren as a group. One of them really laced into him, sharing stories about some incredibly rude and inappropriate comments that he'd made to some of the other fasting guests (these being the incidents I mentioned in my account that I hadn't personally witnessed).
I am glad that you are speaking out here, Victoria. The more details of unprofessionalism, inappropriate behavior and control tactics that can be given, the more others will know to keep their distance from such an unstable and, I think, dangerous man.
Hi Victoria and all,
I just want to share what I posted on another forum about my experience at Tanglewood 3 years ago:
"I chose to go to Tanglewood because I wanted to be an intern, but also to fast. His internship program involves each intern starting with a 21 day fast, a week or so refeeding with rest, a month of training and the last month assisting paying fasters and the next group of interns. Sounded very comprehensive and it was affordable because you would pay pretty much the same as a paying faster would for a 28 day stay, and after you completed your internship, you'd get almost 1/2 back. So off I went.
My reason for wanting to fast was that I was very underweight, had tried a million different holistic approaches to try to gain weight, none of which worked, and had already been eating LFRV for over a year before the fast. I'd read that Shelton had fasted (usually for 1 to 2 weeks) underweight people with great success. I am 5'2" and was at 80 lbs when I started the fast. Loren had assured me that all would be well and that at my weight I probably wouldn't lose weight as rapidly as other fasters, so I might even be able to go the full 21 days, though he'd monitor closely as with all fasters.
Well, after 8 days, I had dropped to 68 lbs and was a bit freaked out about it. I felt a bit strange in the chest area as well and called Loren in to tell him that I thought I should end my fast. He was very agreeable, which surprised me because I had already been hearing from others there that he could be very insistent and controlling. Another couple that were there as interns as well were told to leave when the woman decided to end her fast after 5 days -- he said they had thereby broken their internship contract.
The next morning, I began to refeed slowly and continued to do so for a full week when Loren came to me and informed me that I would need to resume my fast. He tried at first to convince me by saying that my health goals would be better met that way, but I was not feeling good about it. During that week, there had been more strange incidents and reports of rude and inappropriate behavior with other fasters. (Since I didn't witness those first-hand, I won't give those details here) But I was feeling nervous. I asked him for how long he'd expect me to fast and he said 6 or 7 more days. I had only gained back 2 lbs, so I asked what he would do if I asked to stop before the 6 or 7 days. He openly said, with a smile, that he'd give me a really hard time! I knew that I was feeling stronger at that moment, but that I'd surely be weaker and more vulnerable if I started fasting again. I thought deeply about my decision and finally told him no. He then began to harass me about being an intern and having to do whatever the coach says, that it was like being on a sports team and arguing with the coach -- no matter what he may ask of his athletes, they must obey. I knew then that I was making the right decision because I saw his attitude as potentially dangerous. He continued to harass me for another day and a half and finally told me that I would have to leave Tanglewood, immediately, since I was breaking my contract. I had no place to go, no transportation,no time to book a new plane ticket home, and no Spanish skills, weighed under 70 lbs and felt physically weaker than I'd have liked. I was scared. Maybe he thought I'd give in to his will -- luckily, I was not psychologically weak!
I did end up staying another 10 days because my room mate, another intern, who was just finishing up her 40 day fast, did not intend to stay there as the only intern remaining and be subjected to his whims, yet she was too weak to just leave. She threatened to walk out with me if I left right away -- and Loren had enough (barely) decency to acknowledge that her leaving before at least a short controlled refeeding could be very dangerous. We both left after she'd been refeeding for about 8 days, then I stayed with her at a beach house to help her recoup for another week before we parted ways.
Loren was left with no interns, his staff assistant/ office manager quit and several other paying fasters left early with great feelings of trauma. Yet the center still operates -- I hope enough people tell enough people about their experiences so that others can be spared such an ordeal.
As an aside, none of the interns, who all left under duress, were re-imbursed any of our payments."
I'd like to add that my room mate, who was fluent in Spanish, shared with me many of her conversations with the staff, who were all underpaid, ill-treated, afraid of Loren and only remained because work was so hard to obtain.
Also, after my run-in with Loren, when he ordered me to leave immediately, I was visibly shaken up and told others who asked about it. A couple of outspoken guests decided that this was a last straw for them and we all confronted Loren as a group. One of them really laced into him, sharing stories about some incredibly rude and inappropriate comments that he'd made to some of the other fasting guests (these being the incidents I mentioned in my account that I hadn't personally witnessed).
I am glad that you are speaking out here, Victoria. The more details of unprofessionalism, inappropriate behavior and control tactics that can be given, the more others will know to keep their distance from such an unstable and, I think, dangerous man.
Another blogger´s Experience
When I arrived at the Tanglewood Wellness Center I weight 162. My lowest weight was 134. Before I left the Center last Saturday it was up to 138. I still am at 138 a week later. My appetite is still not back to normal yet. I can't say that I 'felt' better after the fast, because I didn't 'feel' bad before the fast. However my foliculitus (which is a scalp condition) did improve greatly during the fast. The hardest part for me(and most frustrating) was the refeeding. Eating the sweet fruits made my face break out and my vitiligo (skin condition) worst. It was frustrating because I told Loren of this, and yet I still had to eat the sweet fruits (or don't eat at all). After doing this 21 day water fast and having no bowel movement; also feeling the plaque matter in my body. In the future I will do either colonics or take some type of Herbal Fiberblend to keep the toxic eliminations moving OUT of my body rather than letting it stay in my body and suffer. There was a few days of extreme weakness and some heart palapatations,
however overall the 21 days went rather smoothly. As to your comment about Loren not liking to answer questions, let me share some of my insights about this with you. When Loren gets questioned and he feels like he is being boxed in, he will often call over an intern (putting the intern on the spot) and have the intern defend Loren's position. For example during one of Loren's lecture a guest questioned Loren about his refeeding program. When Loren felt cornered he called over the intern in the room to help him win his case. He had the intern sit down next to him and then Loren asked her how old she was. The intern is a beautiful woman near 50 with not one grey hair. She looks easily 10 years younger (I also most add that she is older than Loren and looks much younger than Loren). Loren was trying to make the point that, he is right, and if you follow his program you too can look this good. However the fact is (I saw this intern's before fasting photos) this intern was a beautiful, older, heavier set woman before she started her fast. So after the fast she remained an older, beautiful, woman who looked great because she lost about 20 pounds. EVERYBODY looses some weight while fasting. Loren used this intern to try and jusify his position without once answering the guest's question. Just yesterday after I posted my comments about Tanglewood on this forum I receive an email from one of the interns at Tanglewood. This intern wants to know why I am so antagonistic toward Tanglewood; why do I criticize the staff. This intern is telling me that I should stay on a raw fruit diet, etc., etc. This particular intern and I didn't talk much during my time at Tanglewood. I certainly didn't complain to him. What would be the point, all the interns just follow Loren's orders anyway. There would be no point in complaining to an intern. I find it very strange that this intern would email about things that are none of his concern with me the same day I make a post on this forum about Tanglewood?? Could it be that Loren is hiding behind his interns again?? Could it be that Loren told his intern to write me that email?? Just something for everyone to think about. I just want anyone thinking about going to Tanglewood to hear both sides of the story.
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I read your post.
Thank you so much for the information. I cannot believe it!
I was communicating with Loren through email and some of the things said just kind of got me thinking....He didn't like me questioning him on anything, acted like everyone could fast, and I with chronic fatigue could go right back to work after a 6 week stay which I highly doubt, and when he found out I am not coming next week he ended the email pretty much. Also, I asked him about a girl who he helped loose like 100 lbs and asked him how is she doing now that she is home....He ignored that question.
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"the main reason that is because there were plenty of reasons including him coming on to her(what a dueche) he owed her a lot of money and kept making excuses.so she said fuck it and blazed!"
SchoolOfRAWk´s Experience
SchoolOfRAWk, Eugene, OR
I have heard he has no business at ALL running fasts, and should not be doing it. From other professional water fasting doctors who have met him.... I did know a guy interning there who was liking it, but he was also having an affair and was really a fringe-type, and I only emailed him a few times.
I would never ever send anybody to Creative Health Institute either, and a few "love" their experience. Usually really new agey types who just accept it all as God's wishes. I however saw dying people not get the care they need, and far too much negativity and disorganization, etc. And the groups did too. Never go there unless it's a total last resort, I swear.
I have heard he has no business at ALL running fasts, and should not be doing it. From other professional water fasting doctors who have met him.... I did know a guy interning there who was liking it, but he was also having an affair and was really a fringe-type, and I only emailed him a few times.
I would never ever send anybody to Creative Health Institute either, and a few "love" their experience. Usually really new agey types who just accept it all as God's wishes. I however saw dying people not get the care they need, and far too much negativity and disorganization, etc. And the groups did too. Never go there unless it's a total last resort, I swear.
Kralcx´s Experience
kralcx, Buffalo, NY USA
My Tanglewood experience
Wow, where do I start. I will do my best to keep this as fair and balanced as I possibly can. To begin, let me introduce myself; last week I completed a 4 week stay at the Tanglewood Wellness Center. My 4 week stay consisted of a 21 day water fast and 7 days of refeeding. In the beginning everything was okay. Let me state that before going and still to this very day I believe in water fasting. The reason why I choose the Tanglewood Center was because I was unsure if I could complete a 21 day fast on my own, (my previous best had been five
days), so I wanted to be supervised. My will is strong; I'm not the type of person who needs his hand held. So for the first 21 days there really was nothing negative that I experienced. After all you just lay around all day and drink water. However, let me point out some of the observations that I made during the first 21 days of my stay at Tanglewood. First thing I noticed is the library contains extremely few if any health books. There was a lot of fiction books, national geographic magazines, books on how to make money, buddist philosophy,etc., etc., but no books on health. I quickly learned that Loren Lockman believes he is right and everyone else is wrong. Loren doesn't want anyone to pollute their minds with a health philosophy that is different than his. I also observed that he likes to make money. I always thought his no refund policy was a little extreme, but it didn't effect me personally so I thought little of it. Loren charges 10 cents a minute to use either the computer or the telephone. Loren charges 50 cent per article of clothing you want to wash. Loren has a small gift shop, he charges double the price of a shop just down the street. If you break your fast early for any reason Loren will charge you an extra $30 a day for food that cost him at most 75 cents (I have seen this with my own eyes). (I also saw a girl leave 4 weeks early and receive no refund). I also observed through Loren's lectures that he gives twice a week, that he is not as knowledgable as he would like people to believe. For example, Loren will tell you that you control your own destiny. You may inherit genetic weaknesses from your parents but you control your diet and thus your own outcome in life. Yet when a question was asked why he has all grey hair. Loren angrily stated that it is genetic and it runs in his family. Another guest followed up that question by telling Loren that grey hair comes from a lack of minerals. She then asked Loren how can he get enough minerals in his diet if he just eats fruit. Loren just said he has been doing what he has been doing for over a decade and he feels fine. I also observed that Loren has a bad habit of telling someone something, in my opinion, just to get them to shut up. For example, one of the female guests was concerned about snakes and spiders (a perfectly reasonable fear, since we are living in a jungle). Loren quickly said there are no poisionous snakes or spiders living in Panama. I'm no rocket scientist, but even I know a blatent lie when I hear one. As fate would have it one night while I was in the bathroom standing up urinating I heard something hit the furniture that was next to the toilet. It was a very big spider and turned towards me. I use to live in Georgia where they have poisionous spiders and snakes (that is how come I know they also exists in the jungles of Panama), and this spider looked like a Brown Recluse. Loren has a philosophy of not killing any insect or animal that is on his property. So I went and got a staff member to get the spider out of my room. She used a glass and a dust pan to remove the spider. She dropped the spider off on the grass right in front of my room (she should have taken it further away), as soon as the spider hit the grass it climb right back up the porch and tried to get back in the room, however it couldn't because the door was closed. This spider was fast and aggressive. I went
online to find a picture of what I saw the night before; it turned out to be a Chilean Recluse! It is the same as a brown recluse just a different name in a different country. This spider is very poisionous and can kill people. When I told Loren what I found in my room, he told me in nature some spiders that are harmless look like poisionous spiders so they won't get eaten. Needless to say, my BS detector went into overdrive when he said that! Also for anyone that cares, tarantulas and scorpions were seen on the property as well. I also observed a problem with Loren's personality. Loren requires all the interns to read a book about Non-Violent Communication. That immediately made me feel uneasy. This should be a peaceful community,
why would anybody NEED to read a book about Non-violent Communication? From my observation the interns were very good, the only person who had trouble talking to people was Loren himself. I personally observed Loren tell a young distraut girl with mental illness, "...to get the fuck out of here!" This also happens to be the same girl who left 4 weeks early. I also observed Loren pout like a little boy who didn't get his way, when two of the guests wanted to break their fasts early against Loren's wishes. All that I wrote above took place during my first 21 days. The first 21 days were easy compared to the last 7 days of refeeding. I have severe candida and I am a meat eater. My tongue during the entire length of the fast was so coated, it looked snow white AFTER I brushed it! I told Loren I didn't want to eat any fruits, he insisted and I had no choice. Even medical doctors don't have the power to force you to do something against your will. However when it comes to refeeding you either eat what Loren gives you or you will just continue fasting until you leave (the above sentence is NOT a joke!). My face broke out immediately from day one of refeeding all the way up to and including today as I write this post. (It has gotten better since I left the Tanglewood Center). Loren's flippant remark was it was just a coincidence that happened; he adamantly stated it had nothing to do
with the fruit. Many noted fasters, such as Professor Ehret state that not everyone should do a long fast. Particular meat eater's, and you don't break a long fast with fruit. During the fast all of the poison's stay in your body and become concentrated. Fruit which is a power cleanser when it hits the concentrated poison's can cause severe shock to the body. Just for the record during my entire 21 day fast I had no bowel movement, yet I could feel the impacted plaque matter in my colon (it would cause me physical pain at times). I knew the fruits were not good for me, yet I had to eat them ( I had to eat something because otherwise I would be too weak to make it home). By the way I lost 28 pounds; I was only 162 when I started. Some more observations. Loren firmly believes that it is his way or the highway. He will not change from his strict refeeding schedule even if it harms the patient. Once I was strong enough to walk into town I would smuggle back tomatoes and cucumbers for myself and three other guests who were in a weaker condition than me. Loren will kick you out of the retreat if he catches you bringing in outside food. I should have never been put in that poisition in the first place! After observing how Loren doesn't listen to the guest's concerns about their bodies. And how Loren believes anyone can do a long fast. Loren during his lecture liked to brag how his youngest client wasn't even a year old. At that time I was thinking to myself I wondered if Loren has ever killed anybody before. Then I read on this site that he had indeed. In my humble opinion Loren is dangerous! Loren likes to keep at tight rein on the interns. He doesn't want them talking to the guests, and they can't do anything without Loren's approval. It was very strange to me to see these interns, who's ages are: 50, 48, 49, and 38 behave so fearfully of Loren. And lastly on the last lecture day before I left I tried to explain to Loren why so many of the guest's were upset with him. I let Loren know that my talking to him wasn't for my benefit (since I was leaving in two days) but so he could grow and learn so he doesn't make the same mistakes with new guests coming to the Tanglewood Center. He ignored everything I said and got so upset he looked as if he was going to cry. Loren takes ever guests vital signs everyday to make sure they are okay. The next day after I had that talk with him, Loren did not take mine and another guest's vital's. Loren when upset behaves like a spoiled child! There is probably more that I could say, however I will stop for now. I hope this report was fair and balanced, and I hope it helps someone to make a more informed decision about the Tanglewood Wellness Center. If you have any more questions don't hesitate to email me.
My Tanglewood experience
Wow, where do I start. I will do my best to keep this as fair and balanced as I possibly can. To begin, let me introduce myself; last week I completed a 4 week stay at the Tanglewood Wellness Center. My 4 week stay consisted of a 21 day water fast and 7 days of refeeding. In the beginning everything was okay. Let me state that before going and still to this very day I believe in water fasting. The reason why I choose the Tanglewood Center was because I was unsure if I could complete a 21 day fast on my own, (my previous best had been five
days), so I wanted to be supervised. My will is strong; I'm not the type of person who needs his hand held. So for the first 21 days there really was nothing negative that I experienced. After all you just lay around all day and drink water. However, let me point out some of the observations that I made during the first 21 days of my stay at Tanglewood. First thing I noticed is the library contains extremely few if any health books. There was a lot of fiction books, national geographic magazines, books on how to make money, buddist philosophy,etc., etc., but no books on health. I quickly learned that Loren Lockman believes he is right and everyone else is wrong. Loren doesn't want anyone to pollute their minds with a health philosophy that is different than his. I also observed that he likes to make money. I always thought his no refund policy was a little extreme, but it didn't effect me personally so I thought little of it. Loren charges 10 cents a minute to use either the computer or the telephone. Loren charges 50 cent per article of clothing you want to wash. Loren has a small gift shop, he charges double the price of a shop just down the street. If you break your fast early for any reason Loren will charge you an extra $30 a day for food that cost him at most 75 cents (I have seen this with my own eyes). (I also saw a girl leave 4 weeks early and receive no refund). I also observed through Loren's lectures that he gives twice a week, that he is not as knowledgable as he would like people to believe. For example, Loren will tell you that you control your own destiny. You may inherit genetic weaknesses from your parents but you control your diet and thus your own outcome in life. Yet when a question was asked why he has all grey hair. Loren angrily stated that it is genetic and it runs in his family. Another guest followed up that question by telling Loren that grey hair comes from a lack of minerals. She then asked Loren how can he get enough minerals in his diet if he just eats fruit. Loren just said he has been doing what he has been doing for over a decade and he feels fine. I also observed that Loren has a bad habit of telling someone something, in my opinion, just to get them to shut up. For example, one of the female guests was concerned about snakes and spiders (a perfectly reasonable fear, since we are living in a jungle). Loren quickly said there are no poisionous snakes or spiders living in Panama. I'm no rocket scientist, but even I know a blatent lie when I hear one. As fate would have it one night while I was in the bathroom standing up urinating I heard something hit the furniture that was next to the toilet. It was a very big spider and turned towards me. I use to live in Georgia where they have poisionous spiders and snakes (that is how come I know they also exists in the jungles of Panama), and this spider looked like a Brown Recluse. Loren has a philosophy of not killing any insect or animal that is on his property. So I went and got a staff member to get the spider out of my room. She used a glass and a dust pan to remove the spider. She dropped the spider off on the grass right in front of my room (she should have taken it further away), as soon as the spider hit the grass it climb right back up the porch and tried to get back in the room, however it couldn't because the door was closed. This spider was fast and aggressive. I went
online to find a picture of what I saw the night before; it turned out to be a Chilean Recluse! It is the same as a brown recluse just a different name in a different country. This spider is very poisionous and can kill people. When I told Loren what I found in my room, he told me in nature some spiders that are harmless look like poisionous spiders so they won't get eaten. Needless to say, my BS detector went into overdrive when he said that! Also for anyone that cares, tarantulas and scorpions were seen on the property as well. I also observed a problem with Loren's personality. Loren requires all the interns to read a book about Non-Violent Communication. That immediately made me feel uneasy. This should be a peaceful community,
why would anybody NEED to read a book about Non-violent Communication? From my observation the interns were very good, the only person who had trouble talking to people was Loren himself. I personally observed Loren tell a young distraut girl with mental illness, "...to get the fuck out of here!" This also happens to be the same girl who left 4 weeks early. I also observed Loren pout like a little boy who didn't get his way, when two of the guests wanted to break their fasts early against Loren's wishes. All that I wrote above took place during my first 21 days. The first 21 days were easy compared to the last 7 days of refeeding. I have severe candida and I am a meat eater. My tongue during the entire length of the fast was so coated, it looked snow white AFTER I brushed it! I told Loren I didn't want to eat any fruits, he insisted and I had no choice. Even medical doctors don't have the power to force you to do something against your will. However when it comes to refeeding you either eat what Loren gives you or you will just continue fasting until you leave (the above sentence is NOT a joke!). My face broke out immediately from day one of refeeding all the way up to and including today as I write this post. (It has gotten better since I left the Tanglewood Center). Loren's flippant remark was it was just a coincidence that happened; he adamantly stated it had nothing to do
with the fruit. Many noted fasters, such as Professor Ehret state that not everyone should do a long fast. Particular meat eater's, and you don't break a long fast with fruit. During the fast all of the poison's stay in your body and become concentrated. Fruit which is a power cleanser when it hits the concentrated poison's can cause severe shock to the body. Just for the record during my entire 21 day fast I had no bowel movement, yet I could feel the impacted plaque matter in my colon (it would cause me physical pain at times). I knew the fruits were not good for me, yet I had to eat them ( I had to eat something because otherwise I would be too weak to make it home). By the way I lost 28 pounds; I was only 162 when I started. Some more observations. Loren firmly believes that it is his way or the highway. He will not change from his strict refeeding schedule even if it harms the patient. Once I was strong enough to walk into town I would smuggle back tomatoes and cucumbers for myself and three other guests who were in a weaker condition than me. Loren will kick you out of the retreat if he catches you bringing in outside food. I should have never been put in that poisition in the first place! After observing how Loren doesn't listen to the guest's concerns about their bodies. And how Loren believes anyone can do a long fast. Loren during his lecture liked to brag how his youngest client wasn't even a year old. At that time I was thinking to myself I wondered if Loren has ever killed anybody before. Then I read on this site that he had indeed. In my humble opinion Loren is dangerous! Loren likes to keep at tight rein on the interns. He doesn't want them talking to the guests, and they can't do anything without Loren's approval. It was very strange to me to see these interns, who's ages are: 50, 48, 49, and 38 behave so fearfully of Loren. And lastly on the last lecture day before I left I tried to explain to Loren why so many of the guest's were upset with him. I let Loren know that my talking to him wasn't for my benefit (since I was leaving in two days) but so he could grow and learn so he doesn't make the same mistakes with new guests coming to the Tanglewood Center. He ignored everything I said and got so upset he looked as if he was going to cry. Loren takes ever guests vital signs everyday to make sure they are okay. The next day after I had that talk with him, Loren did not take mine and another guest's vital's. Loren when upset behaves like a spoiled child! There is probably more that I could say, however I will stop for now. I hope this report was fair and balanced, and I hope it helps someone to make a more informed decision about the Tanglewood Wellness Center. If you have any more questions don't hesitate to email me.
Yammy´s Experience
Yammy, Toronto
Hey Kralcx!
Hi All, I'm at Tanglewood right now actually....
I have been fasting for 23 days and have 8 more to go...
It's no secret that I don't like Loren, and cannot wait to get out of here and back to Toronto.
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Home Sweet Home
Ok, now that I am safely out of Tanglewood and back in my safe little apartment, I would like to simply say this:
I personally do not recommend anyone go to Tanglewood to fast unless they are ok with fasting without a doctor present, and fasting in a location where interns have no means to get you to a hospital if something troublesome arises. You should also go to Tanglewood if you fancy being yelled while you are fasting and weak. I simply love the fact that Loren preaches radical honesty and non-violent communication...and then forgets to use those simple tools. (I got a kick out of this on a regular basis) I don't feel the man has ever told the truth. He even lied to my face when I confronted him on specific issues.
When we asked advice on how to cope with eating fruitarian back home (Canada), we would receive answers equivalent to "you come and live in the raw community I am making." Yeah...right. Not bloody likely. Thanks for the useful information... SARCASM! I was sick of his total garbage answers. I stopped going to lectures because I felt Loren got a big ego boost and I didn't want to give him the satisfaction. Ok, so my pride was involved too. I also didn't want the opportunity to see up his shorts like you can when he sits like he does...ewww.
Anyway, I remember a girl asking me to let her know how it went. My advice is to save your money. I hear True North in California is much better supervised. I'm going there next time I fast.
Hey Kralcx!
Hi All, I'm at Tanglewood right now actually....
I have been fasting for 23 days and have 8 more to go...
It's no secret that I don't like Loren, and cannot wait to get out of here and back to Toronto.
___________________________________________________________________________________
Home Sweet Home
Ok, now that I am safely out of Tanglewood and back in my safe little apartment, I would like to simply say this:
I personally do not recommend anyone go to Tanglewood to fast unless they are ok with fasting without a doctor present, and fasting in a location where interns have no means to get you to a hospital if something troublesome arises. You should also go to Tanglewood if you fancy being yelled while you are fasting and weak. I simply love the fact that Loren preaches radical honesty and non-violent communication...and then forgets to use those simple tools. (I got a kick out of this on a regular basis) I don't feel the man has ever told the truth. He even lied to my face when I confronted him on specific issues.
When we asked advice on how to cope with eating fruitarian back home (Canada), we would receive answers equivalent to "you come and live in the raw community I am making." Yeah...right. Not bloody likely. Thanks for the useful information... SARCASM! I was sick of his total garbage answers. I stopped going to lectures because I felt Loren got a big ego boost and I didn't want to give him the satisfaction. Ok, so my pride was involved too. I also didn't want the opportunity to see up his shorts like you can when he sits like he does...ewww.
Anyway, I remember a girl asking me to let her know how it went. My advice is to save your money. I hear True North in California is much better supervised. I'm going there next time I fast.
Nancy´s Experience
Nancy Hone, Minnesota
I fasted at Tanglewood for 6 weeks in late 2001. Everything you said today was true then to a T. We all had bad experiences and tried to tell the world about him. We tried to tell the raw food movement and they would not listen. We tried to tell the Natural Hygiene movement and they would not listen. We tried to tell public officials and they would not listen. Finally, and as we predicted, someone died there last year and still no one will listen.As a naturopath, I can also tell you that his lack of knowledge is only superceded by his ego and his abusive behavior. We used to call him the head idiot.
His dictatorial nature only emphasizes his ignorance. When will he be stopped? I pray every day that he can no long take advantage of another ill person who desperately is seeking help for their health and falls into his clutches at a weak moment of decision. He is a con artist that must be stopped. Please do not recommend him ever to anyone. Last note. As I read this website that is sprinkled with an occasional, and I note occasional, defense of this leech upon society I wonder if he himself wrote them. Think about that.
I fasted at Tanglewood for 6 weeks in late 2001. Everything you said today was true then to a T. We all had bad experiences and tried to tell the world about him. We tried to tell the raw food movement and they would not listen. We tried to tell the Natural Hygiene movement and they would not listen. We tried to tell public officials and they would not listen. Finally, and as we predicted, someone died there last year and still no one will listen.As a naturopath, I can also tell you that his lack of knowledge is only superceded by his ego and his abusive behavior. We used to call him the head idiot.
His dictatorial nature only emphasizes his ignorance. When will he be stopped? I pray every day that he can no long take advantage of another ill person who desperately is seeking help for their health and falls into his clutches at a weak moment of decision. He is a con artist that must be stopped. Please do not recommend him ever to anyone. Last note. As I read this website that is sprinkled with an occasional, and I note occasional, defense of this leech upon society I wonder if he himself wrote them. Think about that.
ihba0707´s Experience
ihba0707
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Tanglewood Fasting Center in Panama - Loren Lockman
I just came back from a month stay at Tanglewood fasting for 21 days and refeeding for 7 days.
I strongly believe in the power of water fasting however, I would NEVER go back to Tanglewood or any fasting place run by Loren Lockman. I would tell all my friends and family to look into another fasting restreat where they actually care about your healing progress than every penny they can make from you and the stress that is place if you don't follow Loren's way.
This is a man who is very rigid in his way of thinking .
Everyone that paid to go to Tanglewood went there to get heal, not to be put under a cult of Loren's way of living.
The stress that this man places on you if you don't follow his plans is absolutely crazy to pay money for.
In his library of books, there are no health books because he does not want us to read any for they are all wrong ....this is according to his words.
I wish I had found this thread before paying money to go to Tanglewood.
I just saw his website online and talked to him on the phone.
He sounds very motivated and caring and knowlegable. I was excited to go to Tanglewood. But this is a man who has a degree in Business and worked in Sales for a while before starting up a water fast center.
I have concluded that he is a SALES man, who is hungry for your money.
This is not a man who wants to help heal people.
Take what I have written for whatever you may want to take it.
All the 8 guests and I said we would NEVER come back to Tanglewood and that we woud NEVER recommend anyone to Tanglewood to encountere the kind of stress we did.
We are suppose to be healing,,,,instead we were placed under stressful conditions that we could have received at home for free !
I do believe Loren is a hypocrite.
He teaches non-violent communication but it is he who needs to practice it bc I have see his VERY VIOLENT verbal communication to the guests.
And the interns are too scare of him to speak up to him.
You can tell the interns there do not care too much for him.
And the interns are told to have a limit on how long they can talk to the guests and on what topics they can talk to the guest about.
Interesting huh???
Seed Posts: 1
Tanglewood Fasting Center in Panama - Loren Lockman
I just came back from a month stay at Tanglewood fasting for 21 days and refeeding for 7 days.
I strongly believe in the power of water fasting however, I would NEVER go back to Tanglewood or any fasting place run by Loren Lockman. I would tell all my friends and family to look into another fasting restreat where they actually care about your healing progress than every penny they can make from you and the stress that is place if you don't follow Loren's way.
This is a man who is very rigid in his way of thinking .
Everyone that paid to go to Tanglewood went there to get heal, not to be put under a cult of Loren's way of living.
The stress that this man places on you if you don't follow his plans is absolutely crazy to pay money for.
In his library of books, there are no health books because he does not want us to read any for they are all wrong ....this is according to his words.
I wish I had found this thread before paying money to go to Tanglewood.
I just saw his website online and talked to him on the phone.
He sounds very motivated and caring and knowlegable. I was excited to go to Tanglewood. But this is a man who has a degree in Business and worked in Sales for a while before starting up a water fast center.
I have concluded that he is a SALES man, who is hungry for your money.
This is not a man who wants to help heal people.
Take what I have written for whatever you may want to take it.
All the 8 guests and I said we would NEVER come back to Tanglewood and that we woud NEVER recommend anyone to Tanglewood to encountere the kind of stress we did.
We are suppose to be healing,,,,instead we were placed under stressful conditions that we could have received at home for free !
I do believe Loren is a hypocrite.
He teaches non-violent communication but it is he who needs to practice it bc I have see his VERY VIOLENT verbal communication to the guests.
And the interns are too scare of him to speak up to him.
You can tell the interns there do not care too much for him.
And the interns are told to have a limit on how long they can talk to the guests and on what topics they can talk to the guest about.
Interesting huh???
tanglewood is a business
Tanglewood "wellness" center is nothing more than Loren Lockman´s REAL ESTATE BUSINESS INVESTMENT.
loren lockman´s personality seem to boil down to the following stages:
Stage 1- Trying to be cool
Stage 2- Passive aggressive
Stage 3- Aggressive
He has been exposed by a vast amount of his clients as being a complete businessman who only cares about money and is cheap. His priority is to financially exploit his clients. Providing the best environment for their well being does not seem to be taken in consideration.
Screams and obscenely insults fasting clients when they respectfully disagree with him. Expose the fallacies in his theory to the point where he cannot find any more excuses, and he will resort to personal insults and obscene vocabulary, directed at his fasting clients. Screams and insults clients upon driving them back to the airport, simply because they were expressing their concerns. Threatens to leave them on the road and turns the radio loud. Drives dangerously. Treats his staff with a patronizing tone. Does not treat them as respectfully has he should. Clients can hear him yelling at his staff from their resting place. Most of his lectures start with personal attacks on other raw foodists.
Clients feel like the fast is not supervised for example fails to take vitals on a given day, excusing himself saying that he couldn't find the clients, when in fact they could see him pass outside the window and were in the same place as always. He just started avoiding them once they have expressed their concerns. This inadmissible and irresponsible type of behavior has been confirmed by other reports.
Clients feel like a burden. He tells them that for him it would be the same if they weren't there. Fails to provide his "6 week plan", that he was supposed to deliver at the end of the fast. Gives no proper attention to his clients, Clients lack interaction.
Adapts his theory to his financial purpose. Keeps pushing the clients to do the longest fast, even though they had already refused it. There are known cases of individuals who were injured by loren´s advice to push their fast the longest.Brings up "I thought we had a deal" type of conversations to his fasting clients, in order to push them to fast for longer (And consequently pay him more money).Offers no refunds whatsoever even when clients claim insatisfaction.
Claims the place will be packed in next session, when staff confirmed that there were only two possible reservations. Clients complain about lack of health education (and most of the little he speaks of is disinformation that will result in failure following a healthy lifestyle. Most of his clients end up going back to unhealthy eating habits)
Serves unripe fruit to his clients during the re feeding (tough papayas, acid and tasteless mandarins and bland watermelon - After a month on water the taste buds can´t be wrong). This is a fact, as was confirmed by his staff. When you pay thousands of dollars for basically a bed and water, it would be expected that the refeeding would be made of hand picked ripe fruit. Except for rare occasions, it was not. Keeps the ripe fruit for himself and serves the greener fruit to his clients (confirmed by his staff) Doesn't open big fruits, even if riper, to offer his clients (confirmed by his staff) Serves miserable amounts during the re feeding (staff confirms multiple com plaits from other clients) Clients leave feeling week and dizzy (confirmed by other reports) Would not let his clients simple TASTE some fruits. Offers two miserable meals when clients leave (half a papaya and 5 small bananas) that are supposed to sustain them for 48 hours, including all the airport activity.
After a lecture starts looking at the watch consistently in order to escape the room.
Removed all of the health books from fear that the clients would look for answers.
Charges significant amounts for internet use. Told clients that the very month they were staying in, the internet provider wouldn't make him pay (because the storms had broken the signal for short day or two.) although when consequently asked for a discount by his clients, has refused to provide any. Ask for a piece of paper and tanglewood will charge you 10 cents each. "It´s a business". Has products listed for one price, but after the client´s order, ends up charging twice the amount.
Does less to eat less. Has little or no fitness.
Claims that he does not advocate calorie restriction, yet lectures about the benefits of caloric restriction in order to achieve longevity, and says that NO one should eat 3000 calories a day and that he has been living on 1200 calories for several years. (It becomes obvious why he is so rude, unsatisfied and sedentary.)
Do not be deceive by the apparently lower price, and the lure of tropical Panama.
loren lockman is a money oriented and rude individual who does not have the skill, professionalism and interest in taking care of the health of others. It´s all a business to him.
loren lockman´s personality seem to boil down to the following stages:
Stage 1- Trying to be cool
Stage 2- Passive aggressive
Stage 3- Aggressive
He has been exposed by a vast amount of his clients as being a complete businessman who only cares about money and is cheap. His priority is to financially exploit his clients. Providing the best environment for their well being does not seem to be taken in consideration.
Screams and obscenely insults fasting clients when they respectfully disagree with him. Expose the fallacies in his theory to the point where he cannot find any more excuses, and he will resort to personal insults and obscene vocabulary, directed at his fasting clients. Screams and insults clients upon driving them back to the airport, simply because they were expressing their concerns. Threatens to leave them on the road and turns the radio loud. Drives dangerously. Treats his staff with a patronizing tone. Does not treat them as respectfully has he should. Clients can hear him yelling at his staff from their resting place. Most of his lectures start with personal attacks on other raw foodists.
Clients feel like the fast is not supervised for example fails to take vitals on a given day, excusing himself saying that he couldn't find the clients, when in fact they could see him pass outside the window and were in the same place as always. He just started avoiding them once they have expressed their concerns. This inadmissible and irresponsible type of behavior has been confirmed by other reports.
Clients feel like a burden. He tells them that for him it would be the same if they weren't there. Fails to provide his "6 week plan", that he was supposed to deliver at the end of the fast. Gives no proper attention to his clients, Clients lack interaction.
Adapts his theory to his financial purpose. Keeps pushing the clients to do the longest fast, even though they had already refused it. There are known cases of individuals who were injured by loren´s advice to push their fast the longest.Brings up "I thought we had a deal" type of conversations to his fasting clients, in order to push them to fast for longer (And consequently pay him more money).Offers no refunds whatsoever even when clients claim insatisfaction.
Claims the place will be packed in next session, when staff confirmed that there were only two possible reservations. Clients complain about lack of health education (and most of the little he speaks of is disinformation that will result in failure following a healthy lifestyle. Most of his clients end up going back to unhealthy eating habits)
Serves unripe fruit to his clients during the re feeding (tough papayas, acid and tasteless mandarins and bland watermelon - After a month on water the taste buds can´t be wrong). This is a fact, as was confirmed by his staff. When you pay thousands of dollars for basically a bed and water, it would be expected that the refeeding would be made of hand picked ripe fruit. Except for rare occasions, it was not. Keeps the ripe fruit for himself and serves the greener fruit to his clients (confirmed by his staff) Doesn't open big fruits, even if riper, to offer his clients (confirmed by his staff) Serves miserable amounts during the re feeding (staff confirms multiple com plaits from other clients) Clients leave feeling week and dizzy (confirmed by other reports) Would not let his clients simple TASTE some fruits. Offers two miserable meals when clients leave (half a papaya and 5 small bananas) that are supposed to sustain them for 48 hours, including all the airport activity.
After a lecture starts looking at the watch consistently in order to escape the room.
Removed all of the health books from fear that the clients would look for answers.
Charges significant amounts for internet use. Told clients that the very month they were staying in, the internet provider wouldn't make him pay (because the storms had broken the signal for short day or two.) although when consequently asked for a discount by his clients, has refused to provide any. Ask for a piece of paper and tanglewood will charge you 10 cents each. "It´s a business". Has products listed for one price, but after the client´s order, ends up charging twice the amount.
Does less to eat less. Has little or no fitness.
Claims that he does not advocate calorie restriction, yet lectures about the benefits of caloric restriction in order to achieve longevity, and says that NO one should eat 3000 calories a day and that he has been living on 1200 calories for several years. (It becomes obvious why he is so rude, unsatisfied and sedentary.)
Do not be deceive by the apparently lower price, and the lure of tropical Panama.
loren lockman is a money oriented and rude individual who does not have the skill, professionalism and interest in taking care of the health of others. It´s all a business to him.
22 YEAR OLD WOMAN DIES
The Maryland Board of Physicians has issued cease-and-desist orders against Loren Lockman and Timothy Trader for practicing medicine without a license and representing to the public that they were authorized to practice medicine. Lochman was fined $320,000 for seven violations, each of which reflected what had happened to one client. Trader was fined $70,000 for two violations related to two of the clients.
Documents in the case indicatesthat Lockman founded the Tanglewood Wellness Center, which operated first in Bethesda and then in Thurmont, Maryland. In 2005, he fled to Panama and relocated his facility. Lockman employed Trader in 2003 and 2004. The pair advocated a raw food diet and administered water-only fasting for lengthy periods FOR PEOPLE WHOSE HEALTH CONDITIONS WERE WORSENED OR COULD HAVE BEEN WORSENED BY SUCH FASTING . Both conducted themselves in a manner that suggested that they were trained health professionals, even though they were not [1].
Documents in the case further indicate that Trader referred to himself as a "retired" naturopath. In the fatal case, he advised a 22-year-old woman with insulin-dependent diabetes to stop taking her insulin and undergo a water-only fast. After she became acutely ill with diabetic ketoacidosis, he administered huge amounts of insulin, but she lost consciousness and died soon afterwards. (Insulin alone is not sufficient treatment for diabetic ketoacidosis.)
Three other clients appeared to have suffered impairment of their memory as a result of prolonged fasting. Another patient became emaciated and developed beriberi (a severe B-vitamin deficiency) as a result of severe fasting. Two other clients were dissatisfied with their experience and left within a week. One was a man with severe heart disease who could have been heading for disaster as a result of stopping his medications [2].
Lockman still operates the Tanglewood Wellness Center in Panama, which offers treatment for $900 for the first week and $500 to $700 for subsequent weeks, depending on the length of stay. His Web site claims that his methods can enable people to lose weight, never be sick again, have abundant energy and mental clarity, and look younger —"all with no side effects, safely, easily, naturally."
Trader has relocated to California. Recent autobiographical sketches states that he obtained a naturopathy degree from Clayton College and in 1991 got a "Ph.D." from the Life Science Institute. Clayton College is a nonaccredited correspondence school [3]. The Life Science Institute was a correspondence school that was never accredited or legally authorized to grant degrees. In the mid-1980s, a Texas Court prohibited it from marketing itself as a "college" and from granting academic credits or degrees [4].
References
Final decision and order. In the matter of Loren Eric Lockman. Before the Maryland State Board of Physicians, Case No. 2005-0028. August 31, 2007.
Final decision and order. In the matter of Timothy Scott Trader. Before the Maryland State Board of Physicians, Case No. 2005-0027. August 31, 2007.
Barrett S. Clayton College of Natural Health: Be wary of the school and its graduates. March 20, 2007.
Kenney JJ. Fit For Life: Some notes on the book and its roots. Quackwatch, Nov 12, 1999
Documents in the case indicatesthat Lockman founded the Tanglewood Wellness Center, which operated first in Bethesda and then in Thurmont, Maryland. In 2005, he fled to Panama and relocated his facility. Lockman employed Trader in 2003 and 2004. The pair advocated a raw food diet and administered water-only fasting for lengthy periods FOR PEOPLE WHOSE HEALTH CONDITIONS WERE WORSENED OR COULD HAVE BEEN WORSENED BY SUCH FASTING . Both conducted themselves in a manner that suggested that they were trained health professionals, even though they were not [1].
Documents in the case further indicate that Trader referred to himself as a "retired" naturopath. In the fatal case, he advised a 22-year-old woman with insulin-dependent diabetes to stop taking her insulin and undergo a water-only fast. After she became acutely ill with diabetic ketoacidosis, he administered huge amounts of insulin, but she lost consciousness and died soon afterwards. (Insulin alone is not sufficient treatment for diabetic ketoacidosis.)
Three other clients appeared to have suffered impairment of their memory as a result of prolonged fasting. Another patient became emaciated and developed beriberi (a severe B-vitamin deficiency) as a result of severe fasting. Two other clients were dissatisfied with their experience and left within a week. One was a man with severe heart disease who could have been heading for disaster as a result of stopping his medications [2].
Lockman still operates the Tanglewood Wellness Center in Panama, which offers treatment for $900 for the first week and $500 to $700 for subsequent weeks, depending on the length of stay. His Web site claims that his methods can enable people to lose weight, never be sick again, have abundant energy and mental clarity, and look younger —"all with no side effects, safely, easily, naturally."
Trader has relocated to California. Recent autobiographical sketches states that he obtained a naturopathy degree from Clayton College and in 1991 got a "Ph.D." from the Life Science Institute. Clayton College is a nonaccredited correspondence school [3]. The Life Science Institute was a correspondence school that was never accredited or legally authorized to grant degrees. In the mid-1980s, a Texas Court prohibited it from marketing itself as a "college" and from granting academic credits or degrees [4].
References
Final decision and order. In the matter of Loren Eric Lockman. Before the Maryland State Board of Physicians, Case No. 2005-0028. August 31, 2007.
Final decision and order. In the matter of Timothy Scott Trader. Before the Maryland State Board of Physicians, Case No. 2005-0027. August 31, 2007.
Barrett S. Clayton College of Natural Health: Be wary of the school and its graduates. March 20, 2007.
Kenney JJ. Fit For Life: Some notes on the book and its roots. Quackwatch, Nov 12, 1999
Victoria´s Experience
By Victoria
Oh my God..I have such similarities..It stirs me till no end. I went to Loren bc Michael went to his lecture and bought a package and Michael could not get a refund, so Loren said that I could use it towards a fast. So that is why I didn't fast with Doug, but I did everything else from promote Doug to going to all of his other events like Health and Fitness week 2x and Culinary skills..I was going to always be a student of Doug's and when Loren had the nerve to tell all of us fasting in a vulnerable state nasty things about Doug, I otld Loren off and he had been super duper mean to me since day 1. He didn't pick me up from the airport as discussed and I had to pay lots of money for a ride. When I asked if he could pay for half he said "NO, it's business" and then I said, NO, it's all heart and you don't have one. I went home with a driver that takes most of the people home..he was from the UK and he confirmed everything I was telling him. He said Loren was so damned cheap that he would ask for a percentage of the money that he took to take the people home..how gross. Also, the fruits were not edible and very scarce. When Michael bought me a watermelon and wrote all over it how much he was proud of me with the kids signing it, I wanted to eat it, but Loren told me it was not going to be a good one and he said he was throwing it out..Michael got upset when I told him on the phone and insisted it would be a good watermelon and to save it for me after the fast that was about to end for me. SO he did reluctantly. I have to say, it was the BEST watermelon I had ever had!!! I even left the place early and paid loads more to get home only 3 days into refeeding, that is how much I wanted to get away from Loren Loser. Funny thing is I always have a forgiving heart and even when I wrote something nasty about Loren, I also apologized right after..but then soon after I wrote it again, bc I didn't want people to be mislead. Then Loren told me off. Then I heard of someone that I said he was over fasting died. John was only in his early thirties and newly wed. He was very thin to begin with and Loren insisted he fast him for 40 days..way too long. I think it lasted 32 and John finally went nuts and died of complications. He was like a Holocaust victim. When it was 3 weeks and I had broken my fast, I suggested that Loren end John's and Loren snapped at me and said I knew nothing of fasting and he was an expert.
As for charging loads of money for everything, well, it was insane..Lights out and he didn't give a crap about anyone or what they wanted. He was not around all day, which I loved but thought it was weird. When I would ask a question during his morning lectures, he would snap at me to stop interrupting bc he said it would make him forget what he was going to say..bec it was all memorized duh..nothing was from the heart. When I ask Doug something in the middle of his lecture, he explains it and moves on..no harm done. People get stuck during a long talk and need to ask to fill in the holes. Loren is a hole and I am not talking about the ones you dig..you dig? I am not only not a fan of the con man Loren Loser as I like to call him, I am warning ALL of you who even think about doing anything regarding any money with the master con man. I say, stay clear of this evil devil. I have nothing to gain by telling you this, but you will have so much to lose by ignoring this!
1. The place was dated
2. The sheets and comforters were stained
3. The staff was treated poorly
4. Loren told me that he had no wi fi when in fact he did and he said it caused cancer
5. I paid for the ride to and from the airport and thought it would be included
6. Loren talked badly about other health leaders and said he knew for a fact about personal things about them and I found them not to be true.
7. The beds were too hard
8. The walls were paper thin and you could hear every word your neighbors would say
9. Internet was very expensive, he charges per minute 10 cents which I thought was crazy
10. Lights out at 8:30 pm on the grounds
11. The weight scale was dated and was not really accurate for reading fat and hydration
12. The Library had no books on health and had old novels and old magazines and was small with a small selection.
13. Loren told us all about his financial problems and I found it to be unprofessional
14. I felt as though I was getting Island Fever and felt trapped at times.
15. The fruit after re feeding was not ripe and not very tasty
16 Not every room had warm showers
17. Mosquitoes, spiders, scorpions, snakes were on the grounds and Gekos that were very noisey at night
18. A lot of outside noise from the neighbors at times and dogs barking in the middle of the night. Bring your earplugs!
I met wonderful people and yes, I would do another long term fast, but I would not go back to Tanglewood! I did become angry and irritable there and I did not like the people running the place.
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wow, Emily, you sure do have an answer for everything..too bad you are making me out to look like a liar, so I will add that to my list of CONS, which is what I think you are. I know you are trying to be dipolomatic in saying that you love feeback to improve the place..But I actually made the place in my pros look like shangri la compared to what I really thought..
You are so full of shit Emily..You were not even nice at all behind your fake smile.
I never asked Loren anything, and he gave me his brutally honest statements..I never asked him to tell me anything about his finances and he voluntarily told me and everyone else about his finances..and when Nadia asked Loren in front of me why he didn't just purchase another scale he said "I am in no position to get another scale, it is too expensive and I don't even give myself a salary"
I was there for re feeding for 9 meals and the only real good one was the one that my husband Michael left for me which was the watermelon that he bought me before leaving the place.. And I recall very vividly that Loren wanted to throw it away because he said it was going to be awful..well, I have news for you it was the sweetest tasting fruit I have ever tasted! And another thing, my husband happens to be a really in tuned fruitarian that knows how to pick fruit..The fruit I had at Tanglewood(not counting the first meal I had to break my fast, b/c that goes without saying my taste buds were new again) were the worst tasting fruits I have ever tasted ever!!!! SOoooooooo, don't even get me started Emily!!! I am through being nice..I said I would be but you are so fake I can't stand it anymore..I am telling everyone on this site now that they should go to Douglas Graham or True North or somewhere else to fast long term, but stay away from Tanglewood, (home of everything Victoria is saying is a lie) Emily and Loren Lockman!!!! Thanks for listening!!!! WOw, EMily, you are a piece of work! Way to stick up for Loren! You are just so blinded by love for him and he does not even love you , it is so obvious! and that whole thing about the wi fi and you not knowing how to turn it off while I was there...brilliant dear! just brilliant.. You saw that I had a connection right outside of your office and then you had it turned off or limited to your office only..I am not stupid..I know a lot more than you think..and I know people who were in your office and working on the high speed connection for you and he worked for 15 hours for you guys and then you have the nerve to charge him for internet and he worked on your computers for free???? lol..The staff there hates you and calls Loren Loco...I am quoting them. they also said that they were not allowed to touch the fruit for themselves!!!!.I speak Spanish fluently and you tell the staff they can't even talk to the guests and then you asked me what they are talking to me about??? where was I staying the gestapo???? I felt at times I was in a concentration camp to be quite honest!!!! Emily, wake up and smell the truth...you are drowning in a place called Tanglewood and Loren is your master...ha ha ha...you are so blind!
Oh my God..I have such similarities..It stirs me till no end. I went to Loren bc Michael went to his lecture and bought a package and Michael could not get a refund, so Loren said that I could use it towards a fast. So that is why I didn't fast with Doug, but I did everything else from promote Doug to going to all of his other events like Health and Fitness week 2x and Culinary skills..I was going to always be a student of Doug's and when Loren had the nerve to tell all of us fasting in a vulnerable state nasty things about Doug, I otld Loren off and he had been super duper mean to me since day 1. He didn't pick me up from the airport as discussed and I had to pay lots of money for a ride. When I asked if he could pay for half he said "NO, it's business" and then I said, NO, it's all heart and you don't have one. I went home with a driver that takes most of the people home..he was from the UK and he confirmed everything I was telling him. He said Loren was so damned cheap that he would ask for a percentage of the money that he took to take the people home..how gross. Also, the fruits were not edible and very scarce. When Michael bought me a watermelon and wrote all over it how much he was proud of me with the kids signing it, I wanted to eat it, but Loren told me it was not going to be a good one and he said he was throwing it out..Michael got upset when I told him on the phone and insisted it would be a good watermelon and to save it for me after the fast that was about to end for me. SO he did reluctantly. I have to say, it was the BEST watermelon I had ever had!!! I even left the place early and paid loads more to get home only 3 days into refeeding, that is how much I wanted to get away from Loren Loser. Funny thing is I always have a forgiving heart and even when I wrote something nasty about Loren, I also apologized right after..but then soon after I wrote it again, bc I didn't want people to be mislead. Then Loren told me off. Then I heard of someone that I said he was over fasting died. John was only in his early thirties and newly wed. He was very thin to begin with and Loren insisted he fast him for 40 days..way too long. I think it lasted 32 and John finally went nuts and died of complications. He was like a Holocaust victim. When it was 3 weeks and I had broken my fast, I suggested that Loren end John's and Loren snapped at me and said I knew nothing of fasting and he was an expert.
As for charging loads of money for everything, well, it was insane..Lights out and he didn't give a crap about anyone or what they wanted. He was not around all day, which I loved but thought it was weird. When I would ask a question during his morning lectures, he would snap at me to stop interrupting bc he said it would make him forget what he was going to say..bec it was all memorized duh..nothing was from the heart. When I ask Doug something in the middle of his lecture, he explains it and moves on..no harm done. People get stuck during a long talk and need to ask to fill in the holes. Loren is a hole and I am not talking about the ones you dig..you dig? I am not only not a fan of the con man Loren Loser as I like to call him, I am warning ALL of you who even think about doing anything regarding any money with the master con man. I say, stay clear of this evil devil. I have nothing to gain by telling you this, but you will have so much to lose by ignoring this!
1. The place was dated
2. The sheets and comforters were stained
3. The staff was treated poorly
4. Loren told me that he had no wi fi when in fact he did and he said it caused cancer
5. I paid for the ride to and from the airport and thought it would be included
6. Loren talked badly about other health leaders and said he knew for a fact about personal things about them and I found them not to be true.
7. The beds were too hard
8. The walls were paper thin and you could hear every word your neighbors would say
9. Internet was very expensive, he charges per minute 10 cents which I thought was crazy
10. Lights out at 8:30 pm on the grounds
11. The weight scale was dated and was not really accurate for reading fat and hydration
12. The Library had no books on health and had old novels and old magazines and was small with a small selection.
13. Loren told us all about his financial problems and I found it to be unprofessional
14. I felt as though I was getting Island Fever and felt trapped at times.
15. The fruit after re feeding was not ripe and not very tasty
16 Not every room had warm showers
17. Mosquitoes, spiders, scorpions, snakes were on the grounds and Gekos that were very noisey at night
18. A lot of outside noise from the neighbors at times and dogs barking in the middle of the night. Bring your earplugs!
I met wonderful people and yes, I would do another long term fast, but I would not go back to Tanglewood! I did become angry and irritable there and I did not like the people running the place.
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wow, Emily, you sure do have an answer for everything..too bad you are making me out to look like a liar, so I will add that to my list of CONS, which is what I think you are. I know you are trying to be dipolomatic in saying that you love feeback to improve the place..But I actually made the place in my pros look like shangri la compared to what I really thought..
You are so full of shit Emily..You were not even nice at all behind your fake smile.
I never asked Loren anything, and he gave me his brutally honest statements..I never asked him to tell me anything about his finances and he voluntarily told me and everyone else about his finances..and when Nadia asked Loren in front of me why he didn't just purchase another scale he said "I am in no position to get another scale, it is too expensive and I don't even give myself a salary"
I was there for re feeding for 9 meals and the only real good one was the one that my husband Michael left for me which was the watermelon that he bought me before leaving the place.. And I recall very vividly that Loren wanted to throw it away because he said it was going to be awful..well, I have news for you it was the sweetest tasting fruit I have ever tasted! And another thing, my husband happens to be a really in tuned fruitarian that knows how to pick fruit..The fruit I had at Tanglewood(not counting the first meal I had to break my fast, b/c that goes without saying my taste buds were new again) were the worst tasting fruits I have ever tasted ever!!!! SOoooooooo, don't even get me started Emily!!! I am through being nice..I said I would be but you are so fake I can't stand it anymore..I am telling everyone on this site now that they should go to Douglas Graham or True North or somewhere else to fast long term, but stay away from Tanglewood, (home of everything Victoria is saying is a lie) Emily and Loren Lockman!!!! Thanks for listening!!!! WOw, EMily, you are a piece of work! Way to stick up for Loren! You are just so blinded by love for him and he does not even love you , it is so obvious! and that whole thing about the wi fi and you not knowing how to turn it off while I was there...brilliant dear! just brilliant.. You saw that I had a connection right outside of your office and then you had it turned off or limited to your office only..I am not stupid..I know a lot more than you think..and I know people who were in your office and working on the high speed connection for you and he worked for 15 hours for you guys and then you have the nerve to charge him for internet and he worked on your computers for free???? lol..The staff there hates you and calls Loren Loco...I am quoting them. they also said that they were not allowed to touch the fruit for themselves!!!!.I speak Spanish fluently and you tell the staff they can't even talk to the guests and then you asked me what they are talking to me about??? where was I staying the gestapo???? I felt at times I was in a concentration camp to be quite honest!!!! Emily, wake up and smell the truth...you are drowning in a place called Tanglewood and Loren is your master...ha ha ha...you are so blind!
Harrison´s Experience
Reply by Harrison on February 26, 2012 at 4:04am
Loren is a liar. Whatever you think of his skills as an educator and fasting supervisor, he is not to be trusted with the care of a person's health when that person is in a medically perilous situation. I had conversations with Loren on another site a long time ago and caught him in so many lies that it became rather funny, and I actually began to think he might have mental problems. On this other site he was having a conversation that included his point of view on his court case that took place within the USA. The transcripts from that case are a matter of public record. I read the transcripts. Loren's own records from his fasting center in the USA (before Loren fled the country) contradict the info he spews about the court case against him. Loren is incapable of admitting a mistake. He has a need to never be wrong, to never be at fault. This personality defect can create a dangerous situation for anyone needing him to make a difficult decision in an emergency. I wouldn't trust him to walk my dog.
The issues I mention above have been discussed at length in another thread about Loren here on 30BAD.
There are much better options for supervised fasting. Avoiding Loren is probably a good idea.
Loren is a liar. Whatever you think of his skills as an educator and fasting supervisor, he is not to be trusted with the care of a person's health when that person is in a medically perilous situation. I had conversations with Loren on another site a long time ago and caught him in so many lies that it became rather funny, and I actually began to think he might have mental problems. On this other site he was having a conversation that included his point of view on his court case that took place within the USA. The transcripts from that case are a matter of public record. I read the transcripts. Loren's own records from his fasting center in the USA (before Loren fled the country) contradict the info he spews about the court case against him. Loren is incapable of admitting a mistake. He has a need to never be wrong, to never be at fault. This personality defect can create a dangerous situation for anyone needing him to make a difficult decision in an emergency. I wouldn't trust him to walk my dog.
The issues I mention above have been discussed at length in another thread about Loren here on 30BAD.
There are much better options for supervised fasting. Avoiding Loren is probably a good idea.
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